Nation of Earth

Hi Fil:

I think a movement is needed, but no movement has had a
prayer, yet.  There may not be a harder
nut to crack than getting people to just THINK about free energy.  In a recent essay, I outline the problems that
I have encountered, and what I think the process is for getting people to
simply imagine it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#intro

Scarcity consciousness is so deeply ingrained into people
that it truly seems intractable.  Very,
very few people have so far proven to have the right stuff to go after it.  When I finish my upcoming energy essay, I
plan to then become more active in forums, to try to begin planting the
seed.  We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

Back in the early days of the Unified Settlement forum, we used to actually talk about how we might help to change the world.  Guess what?   That was before YouTube.

Here is a channel with over 4900 subscribers:  http://www.youtube.com/user/jagbodhi  And, here is the Project Camelot website:  http://www.projectcamelot.org/

Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan manage to interview quite a few extraordinary people, both on- and off-camera, sometimes by phone and sometimes via e-mail -- and the interviews are published for the world to see.

So, to a certain extent the movement has already begun.  You might say that these things are seen almost exclusively by people who are already interested in the subject matter (preaching to the choir), but it's certainly helpful for those who are interested to be able to gain more knowledge.

If you consider those 4937 (at the moment) subscriptions, well, that's only a drop in the bucket.  One video added to that channel about 4 months ago has had (at the moment) 90,502 views -- and it's about an hour and 46 minutes long!  How's that for exposure?

Don't know why I didn't think of it before (maybe because things here at this site are moving along so rapidly)...  Wade, you might want to contact Project Camelot.  If they're interested in interviewing you (and I don't see why they wouldn't be), Bill and Kerry will come to visit you -- or conduct an interview by phone or e-mail, if you'd rather.

The same people have launched Project Avalon, a forum site in which membership has become restricted to paid subscribers.  This was an unfortunate move, from my perspective, but Bill & Kerry DO have to travel quite a bit to do what they do, and travel can be expensive, so I guess I understand...  (Anyone can view the forums, but you have to be subscribed to post.)  Since I've stopped visiting those forums, I have no idea what's being discussed.  One or two Project Avalon members have signed on here at Nation of Earth...

Other movements may have had little to no chance of success from their inception, but sooner or later one HAS to make it.  Maybe the time wasn't right before -- but maybe now, it IS.  Getting people to simply imagine free energy (and the paradigm of abundance) is a good start -- and a Project Camelot interview seems like one way to begin.

To those of us on the inside, this isn't something that just happens.  The movement will no doubt absorb the sweat of many brows.

The idea of involving celebrities is one that was floated in the Unified Settlement forum, years ago.  With this movement, at some point there will be people with recognizeable names & faces who will be interested in becoming involved.  I can name 3 off the top of my head who advocate the use of electric vehicles, are actually very passionate about the subject, and are intelligent and open-minded enough to wrap their minds around the new paradigm.  People will listen to what they have to say just because of who they are.

That's enough for tonight, but I'll post about those people tomorrow.

filsmyth

07Mar09

Hi Fil:

Bill and Terry have offered to talk with me, and we'll see how it
goes.  Yes, timing is important.  I am always willing to see this
thing have the Muppet Movie ending.

I believe, however, that if people pay attention because a celebrity does,
they follow the celebrity and not the message.  They are easily distracted
by what the celebrity is interested in the next week.  I have found that to be true with the kind of
material that is on my site.  People have to find their own rootedness in
the material.  It is not a subject for
quick study, and is not a flavor-of-the-week. 
The energy issue has been a constant in the human journey.

I have yet to find an "environmentalist" or vanilla
"alternative energy" proponent (electric cars do not even make it to
the alternative energy level of the game) pay any attention to new energy, but
maybe someday one will.  My free energy brethren
and I have approached many, many groups and strata of public awareness, and
have yet to find that audience that can productively engage the issues. 

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#audience

Best,

Wade

I personally am dedicated to (at least the idea of) electric vehicles partly BECAUSE of free energy.  One day, I'm confident, existing electric vehicles can have their battery packs replaced with free energy devices -- forever elimating the problem of short ranges and long charging times.  In the meantime, even the worst electric vehicles are vastly more efficient than the most efficient internal-combustion vehicles, and even hybrids (which I actually despise, because they are so much more complex and expensive, and can't even deliver the mileage of a 1989 Ford Festiva).

Some people play fantasy football -- I have a fantasy automotive company, Tellurian Motors.  All my life I've been sketching cars, can't seem to help it...  I've completely switched over to electric for new designs, and have stopped talking about batteries and ultracapacitors.

I feel there must be others who realize how electric our future is, and that they too have found themselves becoming more interested in electric vehicles.  Whether the celebrities I mentioned fall into that category remains to be seen...

The reason why people listen is moot when your main concern is raising awareness.  If they're listening only because a celebrity is speaking, well, at least they're hearing about things.  It is quite probable that some in the audience will listen very intently and then go on to do research on their own, while others already know about these things and are merely encouraged to keep thinking and talking about them.

I mentioned the celebrity angle here more as an inevitability than as a new idea.  Some will want to get involved, and when they do it will be beneficial to the movement to encourage their education and brief them on how (and when) to talk about the subject.  Some celebrities are actually quite intelligent and free-thinking, and may surprise you...

The audience you speak of, that can productively engage the issues, is not likely to be found in any one place.  We pepper the landscape, and many of us are in the habit of assuming a 'stealth mode' because of our inability to speak about certain things with almost everyone around us.  Anyone here will undoubtedly know what I'm talking about...

More later.

Thanks. 

I freely admit that I am going for a niche audience.  The Dennis Lees,
Steven Greers and the few others like them are shooting for a mass
audience.  I have played the mass
audience game, and decided to try something different, after I saw what happened
with that approach on the subject of free energy.  I am seeking to form a nugget of sentience that
might be able to do some good. 

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#done

99+% of the population gets hung up in those unawareness/denial layers
of what I call the free energy onion:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

and almost all others get caught up in layers 4-11, and I am
trying to see if a level 12 approach is feasible. 

You are right that those who may be able to get beyond the
pitfalls are scattered around the planet. 
I am trying to see if I can round some of them up, just to ask them to
lend their awareness to the issue – nothing more.   I think it may be able to complement a mass
effort, and lend a strong nucleus of awareness to the issue.  I found that a lack of awareness and
integrity was the issue.  When people
like Dennis mount an effort, they get attention while they are riding high, but
they have often gone for the bread and circuses crowd, and that crowd is easily
distracted by a slicker show or somebody throwing more bread.  

My introduction to the energy issue was when my first
professional mentor invented the world’s best engine for running a car:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

So, I can relate to your car dreams. 

The problem with open forums and this subject matter is that
the Internet teems with trolls, and there are professional trolls who seek to
disrupt and drag down the kind of conversation that I am attempting to
initiate.  Krieg monitors the Internet
for wherever I appear.  I expect him to
either show up in a few weeks or less, or one of his buddies will.  They will try to undermine my credibility
with you.  What will you do when they
show up?  At ATS, I tried to ignore them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll2

To only have one troll camp there, and others battle him,
and ATS ended up banning me (one of
the trolls may have campaigned to have me banned, which lends weight to the COINTELPRO
suspicions about ATS, although ATS vets told me that it is probably more
accurate to state the ATS cannot handle real people with real stories and meaty
information appearing there).

A forum that I was invited into more than a year ago (you
can see the invitation made on that thread) devoted a forum to discussing my
work, and Krieg showed up within days.  Not
long after that, the guy who invited me in wiped out the entire forum that was
devoted to my work, without even asking me first, after I made more than
eighty, often lengthy posts, to it.  This
invitation that you made does not quite mesh with my anticipated timing (I was
planning to try mounting the conversation I am looking to begin later this
year, after I publish my energy essay), but I will play along for now and see
where it goes.  So far, so good. 

As I state in my work, and as Brian O does in his latest
book, technology is not the problem on the free energy front.  That can be difficult for people to wrap
their minds around, but that is what all the vets in the field have eventually come
to realize. 

Best,

Wade

One more thing….  If
free energy appears on the scene, it will only be the beginning.  The people who have kept the wraps on free
energy also have anti-gravity and a host of other technologies (probably
including time travel) in their bag of tricks. 

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#underground

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#presidents

If free energy makes it past the suppression stage,
automobiles will quickly become obsolete and quaint, like a horse and buggy is
viewed today. 

I've posted in the past about ignorance vs stupidity.  It's one thing to lack the cognitive ability to comprehend something, and entirely another to dismiss a line of thinking just because it doesn't fit.  There is a realm of ignorance, also, that includes things to which we simply haven't been exposed -- and there is yet another area to consider, things we don't consider to be important enough to think about...

There is the capacity to understand things, and then there is the openness of the mind.  Many intelligent people have demonstrated extreme ignorance, because of what they ignore.  At the same time we see people with Down's Syndrome who are open and loving, wonderful souls saddled with brains that don't work so well...

People in general have a harder time understanding things than anyone who is likely to view this site -- that's one point.  Active ignorance is the other.

As I've more or less said in the past, there is nothing more evil than ignorance.  To me, the very definition of evil is the act of actively ignoring things.  Passive ignorance is understandable.  You don't know, you don't know -- but if it was there and you dismissed it, it's on you.

Okay, sure, beyond the evil of ignorance is disinformation, spreading lies that others accept as truth.  That is, yes, even worse -- but I digress...

We have to accept the limited abilty of the general public to comprehend.  At the same time we have to recognize everyone as a sovereign integral, each an individual expression of intelligence and consciousness.  We are, after all, not Humans having a spiritual experience, but spirits having a Human experience.

The emphasis is on spirit.

People can and will accept the new paradigm.  They will recognize it as natural.  They will rejoice.

Yes I have a positive attitude.  I know things will work out.  At the same time I'm aware that these things don't happen all by themselves.  If left unchecked, certain forces would lead us into destruction.  Some of us have to stand up.  We have to make our case for how things OUGHT  to be.

If it is our task to design a strategy and use whatever means are necessary to assist the transition, so be it.

Yes Wade, forums are inherently problematic.  Those who have succumbed to cognitive relativism find their linear and anarchic nature (unless ruled with a heavy hand) conducive to negating the idea of there being enough for all.  The crux of the matter is to create a different form of communication. When we have that and it works it will be a strong attractant and then will become ever more adopted.  I see no other way.

We and others have been bombarded with propaganda from birth that money is a true measure of worth or value.  Money is actually inherently a Ponzi or pyramid scheme with much left out of transactions that eventually universe compensates in one way or another, often wtih the total failure of one of humanity's ever more fleeting social experiments. In order to be successful at collecting money, people adopt its zero-sum game nature as a general universe paradigm and cultivate heartlessness and ability to take advantage of others.  In general, the more money one has the less sanity.  We need to create the infrastructure with peer to peer communications rather than any top down fixed hierarchy.  Hieararchies are necessary but we need the most fluid and continually retested for valid representation of viable concerns.  Our survival depends on it.  Utopia or oblivion seems to be a concise way to describe the stakes.

Hi Guys:

You presented lots to digest and respond to, on this thread and others, and I will try to find time this weekend to do so.  I like what I am seeing. 

Thanks,

Wade

Hi:

I find the thread hard to follow because of where the comments end up being
inserted (partly my fault, it appears).  Is it possible to have each
response at the bottom as a default, instead of them being inserted in the
middle like this?

Wade

Currently, each reply is inserted beneath the entry that is being replied to -- and we don't know how to change this right now.  Yaddoshi, our webhost, is the one who will have to look into changing the defaults for comment order, and he's rather busy these days.  I've tried to look into it, but only have limited permissions when it comes to manipulating this site (which is probably for the best).

So for now, the latest replies will appear at the bottom of the page only if we all scroll down to the bottommost reply button.

Yes, it IS possible for this to be changed, and I'm with you.  One option may be for replies to a specific posting to be offset from the rest (in either ascending or descending order), but newest entries at the bottom by default would be the least confusing.

When the issue has been addressed, a notification will appear in the Updates thread.

Eventually we may have to look into recruiting some assistance for site maintenance...

First issue - organization - replies in forums were set to display newest first, but if you replied to another reply it would be placed beneath it in a "thread".  This is why some replies were showing up above others - as fil pointed out it depended on which Reply button you clicked on.  I switched us from threaded to flat, and oldest comment first.  This way you can read and scroll down - as opposed to having to scroll all the way to the bottom first and read each post, scrolling up for the newer one.

Second issue - as a thread progressed it grew narrower and narrower within the confines of the site layout, which in my opinion made it more difficult to read.  We are now using a flat layout instead of threaded - this prevents the replies from getting narrower.

You just work on turning yourself into "someone whom other people are likely to listen to." If you did that, you'd be able to pull other influential people on board easily.

Use the internet...Get creative....Get some attention...Whatever makes sense for you. If you try something and it doesn't work, try something else.

~G